|What we know of our
Hanrahan family story starts with the marriage of Thomas
Hanrahan to Cecilia Manly in Bradford,
Yorkshire on the 10th August 1855. Thomas, born in Clare
Ireland, was 42 and Cecilia, born in Mayo, was 17. The
family story is that Thomas was employed as a gardener by
the parents of Cecilia, in Ireland, and that they eloped.
I have searched the St. Catherine's Index of marriages in
England and could not find a reference. A possible
misspelt entry is Kearney Cecilia Sep Qr 1855
Bradford 9b 229 see email below. The Irish
Potato Famine was coming to an end about this time
but may still be relevent.
The death certificate shows the parents of Thomas to be Michael Hanrahan and Bridget Harer, both farmers. I have searched the available records from Clare and could find no reference to them. (Note that many parish records were lost in a fire in Dublin in the 1920s..)
are equally elusive. Her death certificate (in 1900),
with son John as the informant, shows her parents as
Thomas Michael Minneby (surname difficult to read),
a butcher, and mother Cecilia. This contrasts with the
certificate from her second marriage (in 1880, see
below) which shows her parents as James Manesy (again
difficult reading), a farmer and Honora M..
(difficult). Other references and family
recollections have her surname as Manly or Manley. Each
document agrees she came from Mayo. From the marriage
certificate I note she signed with "her mark", a cross,
indicating she could not write. I have decided to record
the parents as James Manley and Honora
until more detail is available.
See the very interesting emails below and understand the difficulties in trying to link a family tree together.
Looking through the Griffith Valuations and Tithe Applotment Books (Land Tax Records for the early to mid 1800s) shows two Manly entries and two Manley entries in Mayo. Another entry found was a James Manley of Clovnglasna (maybe Cloonglasney), in the Parish of Ardagh, Tirawley, Mayo. This is about 3 miles from Ballina near Lough Conn and the River Deel. Subsequent research in 2007 has failed to find the above entry (I did not document the original source) but I did find and entry in Griffith's for Mullany, James Cloonglasney Ardagh Mayo.
The various Manley certificates I
have to hand are reproduced on a separate page.
Thomas and Ceclia’s first child, John Patrick
Hanrahan, was born in Bradford Yorkshire in 1856.
A search of the St Catherine’s Index of births in
England has been unsuccessful.
In about 1857 family came to Australia. Why, how and by what ship is not known. I have not found their names among the shipping and assisted immigrant lists.
It appears that Thomas worked as a labourer in
Melbourne’s southern suburbs and I assume mixed in the
Irish Catholic community. Cecilia is said to have borne
fourteen children of which seven survived infancy. In
1872 the family’s address was the corner of Duke and
Hornby St., Windsor. Later it seems they moved to the
Morang area, about 30 km to the North of Melbourne. In
1877, at Morang, Thomas died at 65 years of age. He was
buried in the St Kilda cemetery with some of the infant
children. A gravestone, near the main gate on the right,
remains there today.
Research by distant cousin Joe reveals that the
second child Honora later used the name Annie. She
married Thomas Jones in 1873 and died in 1891. Only one
child, Eloie, survived infancy.
Click for expanded chart
Interesting story; cannot find anybody named Took in the family tree. Maybe the Hanrahans were serial elopers...
|Subject: Hanrahan, Manley
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001
I enjoyed reading your account of Thomas Hanrahan
and Cecilia Manley on your website. The
interesting part for me was that Thomas and Cecilia
eloped from County Clare Ireland and went to England
and then Australia. My GGGGrandmother Margaret
(Mulqueen) Hanrahan emigrated to Saratoga county New
York State about 1857 (from somewhere in the
Limerick or Clare area) with 5 boys. The
father of her children was listed as Thomas Hanrahan
and she was listed on her gravestone as the wife of
Thomas. Thomas and Margaret's boys were John
(b. about 1836), Patrick, Thomas, James, and
the 5th boy, I recently discovered, was not
Margaret's child at all but the son of Thomas and
another woman (either Mary Relileau or Bridget
Madigan). The reason I suspect it may have
been Bridget Madigan is that a listing on Kathyrn
McCarthy's website for Kilcolman parish
baptisms lists Thomas Hanrahan and Bridget Madigan
as parents of Michael Hanrahan in 1847 with Margaret
Mulqueen as a sponsor. Well you can probably
tell by know that I suspect my Thomas and your
Thomas may well be the same man. I have found
no records of what happened to him. If you
have any information on Thomas' earlier life, I's
certainly be interested in hearing from you.
|Thank you Bob
Is this our Thomas? The dates match well; the "modus operandi" may match as well. The records say he was from Clare and Cecilia from Mayo. We have assumed he was working in Mayo at the time of elopement but no other indication of movement are availiable.
Subject: Re: The Hanrahan & Manley Families, England, Ireland & Australia
From: "REED" ...
Date: 4 Feb 2002
My great-grandmother was also called Cecilia MANLEY. She was b. in Bishop Auckland in northern England in 1883, the penultimate of 11 (5surviving) children of Anthony Manley by his second wife Kate SOLAN. The Manley and Solan families were both immigrants from Ireland to Bishop Auckland in the years immediately following the Great Famine, the Solans from somewhere in Co Galway in the Spring of 1854 (RC Church bapt. register) and the Manleys at some date prior to the 1851 census from Co Mayo (family lore says the Ballina area thereof.)
Now for the interesting part. The 1851 census shows my great-great-grandfather Anthony aged 17, masons labourer and younger brother James 12, ditto, both living with their elder sister Ellen LYNCH, 28, and her husband Patrick LYNCH, 32, glazier. Patrick was b. in Sunderland, Co Durham, ENG, all the Manleys in Ireland. There is no sign of any parents or of any other siblings and my great-grandmother was never willing to talk about her father's origins, leaving the unstated idea that he was a Famine orphan ... but was he?
The marriage cert. for Anthony's first marriage to Margaret CONROY in 1855 fails to list his father, and no mention is made in the PRs either BUT, we are luckier with the second marriage to my gg-gm Kate Solan, as Anthony's father is given as James Manley, farmer, dec'd.
OK, so far we both have a James Manley, farmer, Ballina and two Cecilias. Now I don't have proof of my Anthony's mother's name BUT, given that both he and James named their eldest son and daughter James and Honora, I am fairly confidant that Honora it was and so there's another 'coincidence' in these two stories. Is your Cecilia in fact a missing sib. of my Ellen, Anthony and James?? Can we EVER prove it?!
I gather you haven't been able to find Cecilia's 1855 marriage in the GRO index? Presumably she's mistranscribed as something else. You have presumably checked under Hanrahan too? Have you tried sending to the DRO in Bradford giving names and the Sep Qr of 1855 plus a likely church (I think St Patrick's, Sedgefield Terrace/Westgate would be the only RC church in the town in 1855) to see what they can come up with?
Cecilia is such an unusual name that I've often wondered where my gg-gps got it from ... all their other daughters were apparently named after their mother's sisters, though names like Ann, Elizabeth and Mary/Maria are hardly out of the ordinary C19 Irish names, are they?!
As for Griffiths ... I'd discounted that James nr. Ballina as my ggg-gf because I was assuming (as per Great Grandma's intimation) that he'd died in the Famine and Griffiths wasn't undertaken until the mid 1850s I think! BUT ... if he didn't die, then it does look likely. I'll see which RC parish covers that township and whether any PRs survive. If they do, there's a good chance they're on LDS film as the Mayo coverage is amongst the best in IRL.
Thanks for tacking me down and getting in touch
after all this time.
And again Aug 2007
|Thank you David,
The family names, birthdates and locations match fairly well. The family has had an (overly?) romantic image of a young Cecilia leaving behind a comfortable life and running away to the new world with her lover. The Famine puts this into a new light.
I may be related to you through Cecilia and also Drew Reed. My great grandfather was Patrick Joseph Manley born in Ballina, County Mayo in 1841. I recently found an extensive obituary for him and learned a few facts about his origins. He left Ireland while young after the famines and was one of four children raised by an older sister. They settled in Eastern England in Stamford and latter he was a grocer and prominent citizen in Peterborough. None of the family shows in the English census until 1861. According to Patrick's marriage certificate in 1878 his father's name was John who was a traveler or hawker. I found a death certificate for a John Manley in Stamford who was also a traveler and hawker. I think he is the same man. He was born in 1791 There was also a John Manley on the voter registration in Ballina in 1850. A John Manly (sic) appears as a renter of two properties in Ballina in the 1847-1856 period. It is possible they are the same person. However the first John Manley owned property and could vote. I am not sure about the difference in Manly vs Manley as the spelling.
Dominick Manley was also from Ireland and lived in Stamford. He was also a hawker, traveler and a tea dealer. My great grandfather was apprenticed to a tea dealer and this was the business he had as a grocer. I tend to think Dominick was an uncle. He remarried in England in 1853. He was born in about 1804. His father's name was Patrick Manley, a farmer. I can image a scenario where Dominick is widowed and has lost children, he has some connecting to selling tea and uses them to locate employment in England. He can take a bigger risk not having a wife and children. John Manley sells his property in Ballina but lives on it for awhile and that provides money for resettling. My 1861 my great father was apprenticed to a tea dealer and in a few years had his own place.
An interesting point is that a visitor to Patrick Joseph Manley's house in the 1901 census is listed as Anthony Manley. The only details are that he was born in Ireland around 1836, was a widower and a hawker. He could be an older brother. Northern England and Peterborough are not that far apart. Is he one of the four sibs mentioned in the obituary? I have wondered if he is the same Anthony Drew Reed mentions. Some points argue against this. He would have been counted in two places in the census that year. Perhaps it is not impossible. I tend to think my bunch had some business involvment before moving to Britan. In the pictures I have of Patrick Manley he looks like the emperor of Austria or the Czar of Russia in his official ceremonial garb.
I have ordered the LDS records Catholic records for Ballina and will be looking for details as to the above relationships. Patrick Manley had a terrible temper and his sons got as far away as they could from England. Two came to the US including my grandfather, another went to Ontario, Canada, another to Kenya and the youngest to Sydney, Australia. He was Louis Herbert Manley 1893 - 1964 and had two wives and no children. He was in Australia by 1917. He did not write and it was though he was killed in WWI. He may have been a vet however although I have been unable to find a record of that.
Perhaps you can forward this to Drew Reed. Do you have any suggestion on getting an obit for Louis Herbert Manley. I have a copy of his death certificate. I have been told that the records in Ballina for Catholic families go back no further than 1823. It's okay for me if that is all there it. It is enough to have found a location in Ireland at all.
Paul Manley Alameda,California
...and an extract from a follow up email....
...I have set three goals in this research. First, find out where the family came from in Ireland. Second, locate living descendents in Britain. I had suspected Reed was one of two families the Manley daughters married around the time of WWI. Now I know where it fits. Third, look into my grandfather's younger brother James F Manley or Jim Manley. He was a big game hunter in Kenya from the time of WWI until independence in 1963. I have copies of his correspondence with Ernest Hemingway and located two groups of letters he wrote to the US side of the family. I suspect there is another group of letters out there. He had a business partnership with Baron Blixen of out of "Out of Africa". He is a very colorful relative....
|...More extracts for Paul
Manley November 2009..
are well. It has been about two years since I
was in touch with you regarding finding Manley
ancestors in County Mayo . I wanted to include
you in a message I sent to several others looking into
Manley history. I have found the answers to many of
the questions I had two years ago and which your
posted on your web site. My Anthony Manley is
still a mystery but he lived in Derby in the 1860’s
and then vanished only to reappear living in Nazareth
House – a home for elderly Catholic poor in Oxford
where he died in 1917. He left 3 three living
daughters. My grandfather’s brother Jim Manley
who was in the Boer War, WWI, WWII and the Mau Mau
emergency and a white hunter in colonial Kenay died in
his sleep in 1969 and lies buried with his wife in the
Langata Cemetery in Nairobi. I found two lines
of second-cousins in England and a third one in
Stockholm who remains a British citizen.
She has many of the older family photos
found a link to a specific street in Ballina.
Another Australian who visited there this month and I
may be distant relatives. Working with others we
sorted out the Munnelly lines in Crossmolina. I
think I have hit the limit on research at this point
and can’t really justify much more time in this
project. For this reason I wanted to update you
before my memory bank starts failing.
seems very very likely that the Manleys or Munnellys
were a branch of the O’Doherty clan who migrated to
County Mayo at the time of O’Doherty’s Revolt in
1609. Many O’Dohertys and others were forced to
leave Ulster after the revolt failed and migrated to
the western part of County Mayo . That’s the
summary of what is known.
take a look at the end of what follows. There
are records for several Hanrahans in Bradford –
they must be your bunch.
Dear Manley Researchers:
Greetings to all. I want to bring to your attention a few developments. Marybeth Van Winkle of Scranton , PA has worked very hard transcribing the birth, marriage and death records from the LDS microfilm of the parishes of County Mayo . Over the past year she has forwarded me findings regarding the Munnelly – Monnelly – Manley group. Recently, she began putting her transcriptions on-line at this location http://irishhereandthere.yolasite.com/ For now, she has parts of Kilmoremoy - Ballina and Crossmolina . She plans to put up more parishes in the future. By looking at the data some patterns emerge. There seems to be a pattern of sponsors being a brother or sister of the bride or groom. I read in one book that generally a marriage took place at the bride’s parish or townland. I not am not an expert, so take it for what it is worth.
The second item concerns the beta site for Civil Registration beginning in 1864 which is now available here
I believe obtaining birth
marriage and death certificates or copies of them is
now possible through Dublin using the indexes on the
site. I recommend giving it a look. It is
interesting to see that Monnelly is used mainly in
Ballina registrations but not found in
Bellmullet. Who knows why?
Another interesting find is
research on the McGinley clan. Particularly
interesting is the migration of some of the McGinleys
from their homeland in Donegal to County Meath and
County Mayo . The migration to western County
Mayo took place around the same time as an off-shoot
of the O’Doherty clan is believed to have also moved
and became known as Munnellys. I find it
interesting that the author thinks there may have been
two migrations to County Mayo . I wonder if there were
two Munnelly migrations, one before O’Doherty’s
Rebellion and one afterwards. The McGinley
homeland in Donegal is just west of the O’Doherty
lands on the Inishowen peninsula. It is the anvil
shaped piece of land directly above “ Londonderry ” in
the map below. The McGinley lands are directly west. (..map missing..)
There are some interesting pictures in the section on “Native Clothing” and descriptions of housing around 1600 in the section on “ Clan Territory ”. The section on “Special Places” contains some good pictures of Donegal.
The BBC site below contains some interesting interviews with historians regarding the context of the Plantation of Ulster.
I have been interested in the migration of people from County Mayo to England around the time of the famine because my own group went there. Using the Civil Registration index in England I was able to follow the evolution of the name Munnelly and its variants to Manley beginning with the earliest registration in 1837. What is apparent is that migration was underway before the famine. I found that historians have noted seasonal migration from County Mayo to work the harvest in England . As the Fall or Autumn was traditionally a slack time in Ireland it was an opportunity for people to make money. The cost by ship to Liverpool was 2 shillings. As early as 1850 migrant workers were travelling by train to Lincolnshire in the east of England . This was the area my group lived in at that same time.
It is possible to find when and where some of the group arrived in England by looking for those who did not change their name to Manley. Here are the results of checks for Munley, Munnelly, Monnelly, Monelly and Monely respectively in most of England or Lancashire and Yorkshire (The industrial north of the country including Liverpool, Leeds and Manchester ) I think use of theo lder forms dropped off pretty soon. I found a man using both Manly and Manley.
Munley FreeBMD 1838 -1870
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1840 MUNLEY Elizabeth Grantham 14 289 Lincohonshire and Leicestershire
Marriages Dec 1840 MUNLEY Mary Liverpool 20 165
Deaths Jun 1842 MUNLEY Edward Manchester 20 477
Marriages Mar 1852 Munley Winifred Leeds 9b 518
Marriages Mar 1853 MUNLEY Patrick Leeds 9b 526
MUNLEY Patrick Leeds 9b 626
Births Jun 1853 Munley Mary Liverpool 8b 214
Births Jun 1854 MUNLEY William Stockton 10a 67
Marriages Jun 1854 MUNLEY Richard Shoreditch 1c 440 London
Marriages Dec 1855 MUNLEY Mary Leeds 9b 504
Births Dec 1856 Munley Margaret Berwick 10b 287 Durham
Births Mar 1857 Munley Samuel John Redruth 5c 299 Cornwall
Births Jun 1858 Munley John Liverpool 8b 118
Deaths Mar 1860 Munley Thomas Leicester 7a 143
Marriages Jun 1860 Munley Jane Tiverton 5b 755 Devon
Munnelly 1838 -1860
Births Sep 1850 Munnelly Ann Liverpool 20 308
Births Jun 1859 Munnelly John Liverpool 8b 97
Marriages Jun 1859
Munnelly Martin West Derby 8b 692
Munnelly Martin W Derby 8b 698
Monnelly 1838 -1860
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1849 Monnelly Hannah Liverpool 20 188
Deaths Sep 1853 Monnelly Thomas W Derby 8b 222
Births Jun 1858 Monnelly Bernard Birmingham 6d 127
Births Jun 1860 MONNELLY John Liverpool 8b 77
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1840 MONELLY Anthony Liverpool 20 283 Deaths Sep 1852 MONELLY Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 55
Births Jun 1838 Monely Francis Bolton 21 100
Deaths Mar 1840 MONELY Francis Bolton 21 108
West Yorkshire 1838 -1871
Deaths Jun 1847 Manly John Halifax 22 210
Births Sep 1847 Manly John Halifax 22 265
Deaths Sep 1848 Manly Timothy Halifax 22 132
Deaths Dec 1850 MANLY John Halifax 22 145
Marriages Mar 1853 MANLY Ellen Bradford Y 9b 226
Births Mar 1856 MANLY Elizabeth Halifax 9a 369
Births Dec 1862 MANLY Ellen Bradford Yk 9b 86
Unrelated to Manleys except through marriage
Hanrahan FreeBMD 1840 -1870
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1843 HANRAHAN John Bradford Yk 23 179
Deaths Jun 1845 HANRAHAN Mary Ann Bradford Yk 23 96
Births Mar 1846 HANRAHAN Daniel Bartholomew Bradford Yk 23 137
Births Dec 1847 HANRAHAN Sarah Ann Bradford Y 23 115
Births Sep 1853 Hanrahan Female Pontefract 9c 74
Deaths Sep 1853 HANRAHAN Female Pontefract 9c 32
The city of Leeds has been a magnet for immigrants from County Mayo up until the present time. There is an Irish cultural center which continues to this day. Probably many in the 19th Century worked to buy passage to Canada , America and Australia – at least that is what is stated. I found my own group in Derbyshire working in the silk mills, a young woman at a hat factory, another married to a rag collector in Halifax .
I traced the family of Dominick Manley (1805 – 1885) to the present day and found their occupation mirrored the age steam, the automobile and the information age. I called a descendent on the phone this year. There was no recollection of the past beyond a hundred years.
Dominick Manley street seller, draper, tea salesman
His son John Manley(1856 – 1934) railroad engine cleaner
Son in-law (1875 -1957) pattern maker - automobile industry
Son (1918 – 1986) engineer - automobile industry
Below is a key piece of the history of the McGinleys. I have looked at the pardon list following O’Doherty’s Rebellion. O’Doherty was only 19 when he rebelled but his uncle Philem was on the pardon list and many others.
Many Co. Donegal clans such as the Clerys, Devannys, Divers, Gallaghers, McDaids, McLoughlins, McNultys, O’Donnells, Sweeneys, and McGinnellys (the usual spelling there) are to be found in the Burrishoole and Achill Island areas in the west of Co. Mayo. It is recorded that these Donegal clans settled there under the leadership of Ruairí Ó Domhnaill/Rory O’Donnell from Lifford in Co. Donegal. This was just after the time of the Battle of Kinsale (1601), part of the Nine Years War. He was pardoned by the English, along with his followers, for rebellious acts against the English Crown. The first of the Donegal clans arrived there in 1602 (see Edward McLysaght). It would seem therefore that members of the McGinley clan returned home first before being 'moved on' to Connacht . Some folklore says that they stopped in the area on the way to or just returning from Kinsale, but this seems unlikely. It is also recorded that these Donegal names settled there during the Cromwell evictions when thousands of families were forced to leave Donegal. This was between 1654 and 1660. It looks like a two wave migration into the area. Like the case with the McGinnells of Westmeath, it seems likely that many McGinleys settled in Burrishoole and Achil because of the previous settlement in those parts by McGinleys.
During the Ulster
rebellions under the leadership of the renowned
Cathaoir Ó Dochartaigh, the leader of the
O’Doherty clan, the McGinleys did their bit in the
war against the English. When the Irish side was
finally defeated, the English Government issued a
‘1609 Pardon List’. The compilers prepared the
list in a very haphazard way, showing little
understanding of the Irish language. They
translated names into English as it sounded to
them at the time. The list contained a substantial
number of warriors who fought under Cathaoir Ó
Dochartaigh, many on the list being ‘the chief of
their name’, in other words, clan leaders or at
least ‘influential members of their clans’. All
the usual Donegal clans are represented including
McGinley. On the list we find Tirloe McGinelik,
the original Irish form would be Toirealach Mag
Fhionnghaile. What happened to him we do not know.
The Pardon List of 1609 was used by the English
for the selection of those they wished to get rid
of. The ‘pardons’ were offered as a bribe to leave
the country. Those on the list were considered to
be dangerous rebels at the very least. What
followed after the 1609 Pardons, was very often
transportation to Sweden or further afield. Sweden
was a friend of England at the time and needed new
recruits in their wars with Denmark, Poland and
Russia . So, many of Irelands finest young
warriors and rebels were ‘shipped off’ to serve a
foreign army! Did our Toirealach go too?
There were several Munnelly or varients in the area around Ardagh which Cecilia is believe to have came from. Unfortunately, it is a parish were we have no records until 1870.
The 1796 Flax producers in Mayo lists these people. About the only thing I can add is that flax processing required a lot of water and I believe the Deel River which runs through Crossmolina to the area around Ardagh is the reason why we see so many in that area. Also, Lough Conn was in the area. Flax and linen went into a decline from 1800 to 1830 The area could not compete against linen from Germany or the mills that developed in Belfast and Leeds . Apparantly, the Irish hawkers in the mid 19th Century England were selling linen almost exclusively because of the well known association to Ireland . Eventually, cotton replaced linen and hawkers when into deline around the same time – as the section below indicates. For awhile I though the reason so many in my group were hawkers was because of an earlier connection to flax growing but I have discarded that idea.Munily Loughlin Ardagh
Munily Patrick Ardagh
Munily Widow Lackan
Monnilly Edmond Crossmolina
Monnilly James Ballynahaglish a neighbor of Ardagh
Monnilly Thomas Ardagh
Below is something interesting regarding the Irish in the Mid-Lands in the 19th Century which describes conditions in Bradford and its neighbors. One of my group living in Halifax in the 1860s as rag pickers and hawkers in one of the "foulds" or slum housing described below.
...Thaks again Paul..
And again from Paul Manley May 2011,
It has been a long time since we have been in touch. It looks like I have located the reference to Cecilia Manley’s marriage in Bradford using this site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
For the search I put 1853 September quarter for Manley looking for marriages in Bradford and go this.
MANLEY Cecily Bradford Y 9b 226
searching for all marriages in Bradford the same
quarter and volume 9b page 226 there are the
CUNNINGHAM Peter Bradford
that Thomas Handerkin may be Thomas Hanrahan
If you are interested in ordering a copy of the certificate it can be done on-line and mailed to you from England . The cost this year is about 9.25 pounds. You can order on this site.
It is straightforward putting in the formation but here are some tips
Check Yes for is the GRO reference number know
For the year enter 1853
This must be her in the 1851 census living with someone named James Manley – probably a younger brother. Attached is the form. I am not sure about putting it on the web as if comes from Ancestry.com which may prohibit distribution. I would guess James is a brother.
Note I have
removed the Hyperlinks wittin Paul's email, they
go to Ancestry.com. Should you wish further
research go to their site...Peter))
I am doubtful we can make a connection back to an exact location in Co Mayo. There are gaps in the Ballina and Crossmolina baptism from 1837-40. Near by areas are missing even more.
care Peter. Let’s stay in touch.
|In Brighton Victoria, 1861, Patrick O'Hara
married Margaret Murphy. Both Irish, Patrick, a labourer,
came from Tipperary; Margaret came from Queens or
Patrick's death certificate shows his name as O'Hara and parents as Michael O'Hara, farmer and Johanna Dwire. The marriage record shows Patrick Hoare; which I assume is a spelling variation; and the parents as Michael Hoare and Johana Dwyer. Both documents agree on the birth place as Tipperary. Searching Irish records has been unsuccessful, however some possibilities exist in the shipping records. Patrick died in 1864 aged 28. The certificate noted that he was an out-door patient of the Melbourne Hospital.
Margaret Murphy came from Kilkenny according to
her marriage certificate and Queens according to her
daughter's birth certificate. Her parents are noted as
Denis Murphy, farmer and Catherine Fogarty. The
informant of Patrick's death was "Joseph Murphy,
brother-in-law". Patrick and Margaret had a son,
Michael who died at 3 months and a daughter, Mary
O'Hara. A search for Joseph's records may be useful.
Margaret seems to have settled with a John Devereux in
about 1870. Four children are noted, Julia, Margaret,
Nellie and John. They married in the Carlton registrary
office in 1885. Margaret's details are recorded as
widow, publican, of Elsternwick; John's, labourer
of Broadmeadows. The postal directory of 1885 notes a
John Devereux of Murphy St, Elsternwick as a "town's
herdsman". Margaret died in Murphy St., in 1890.
Searching the hotel records my provide additional info.
O'Hara Gravestone in the Brighton Cemetery.
|Mary O’Hara married John Hanrahan in 1884
in Elsternwick. They raised a family of eight in their home
at 69 Murphy Street, Elsternwick. John’s occupation is
listed as contractor. He died in 1922; Mary died at 105 Head
St, Elsternwick in 1929. I know little more about the family
Michael Hanrahan, the third son of Thomas & Cecilia is remembered by the family as working as a chauffeur, for Septimus Miller at his property, "Cantala", in Caulfield. Leo Andrews recalls Uncle Mick organizing a family gathering at the property.
The children of John & Mary Hanrahan ....
Paul enlisted in the RAA and served in the Heavy Battery, Rabaul (Costal Battery). He was taken prisoner and and perished while being shipped to Japan. The Montevideo Maru was sunk in the South China Sea by the USS Sturgeon on 1 July 1942. See wikipedia for details
Joseph, (Uncle Joe) ran a motor garage in Murrumbeena for many years.
Alice lived in 105 Head St Elwood for many
years He first husband, Clarrie Bell, passed away in
1954 and in 1961 she married Ted Hall. Uncle Ted was a
retired public servant and most likeable chap. They
moved to his place in Mt Evelyn where I remember they
grew strawberries. Later they moved to a cottage in
Yarra Junction. Auntie Alice was close to the Andrews
family. Alice passed away in 1982. Much of the
Hanrahan family papers were lost after Ted's death in
||Mary-Ann HANRAHAN and Albert
William ANDREWS were married at St Mary’s, St Kilda
East in 1910. Both the Andrews and Hanrahan families came
from the Brighton, Elsternwick area. Albert was a clerk and,
at one time, was employed by a Real Estate firm. The
marriage was against the wishes of Mary-Ann’s parents. The
marriage ran into difficulties and Mary-Ann and Albert
seperated and finally divorced in about 1925.
Seven children Lance, Kathleen, John (Jack), Eleanor (Nellie or Nin) Jean, Leo, and William (Bill) followed. Leo Andrews vaguely remembers, aged about four, living in Ripponlea. Then he remembers living in Hurstbridge, then two different houses in Diamond Creek, and then back to New St. Brighton. Mary-Ann was struggling with her health and the young children. From time to time she could not look after all the children and the older ones were put into care for a year or so. Lance & Jack went to St Vincent de Paul’s orphanage and the girls, Kathleen, Nelly & Jean, to the Abbotsford Convent.
The following is from conversations with Leo Andrews in 1994.
After the initial move to the Hurstbridge area we moved back to Brighton. Although a year older, Bill and I were enrolled together in school at St James, (Gardenvale). Then the family moved to St Kilda, and then to Punt Road, Windsor, and then to rooms in Greville St. Auntie Ann (Maguire) Hanrahan possibly owned this. There we attended the local schools.
Subsequent moves were to Greensborough, Eltham, back to Greensborough, then Highett St. Richmond. Next back to Greensborough, into four different places including a place in Flintoff Street.
In 1935, after our mother had died we shifted down to a boarding house in South Yarra. This was not successful and then we rented a house in Trinian St. We stayed here until Lance married. He stayed on at Trinian St and the rest of us moved to board with Mrs Tomasetti in Northcote Road Armidale, moving out as we got married. Mrs Tom was a very nice person, putting up with us boys and our motor bikes without a complaint.
We had two horses when we lived in Greensborough, one was a very old horse and the other, an ex race horse, we got from Uncle Jack (Hanrahan). We did not have a saddle when we used to ride the ex racehorse. It would go hard and then you couldn't stop it. It would go like mad and you were not strong enough to stop it. One day we fell off and the horse went home without us. When we moved back to town the horses went up to Eltham; we must have given them to someone.
Mum would travel from Eltham to Brighton where she worked as a domestic. There was no social security in those days. One day she did not have enough money for a train fare to go to work. We collected wild flowers from the bush and sold them by the road to St Helena. We collected 2/- and the fare was only 1/3. Mum was most upset, she did not know we were doing it. We would pick mushrooms and later on Bill & I would make a little money picking blackberries on a Saturday.
We lived in six different houses altogether in Greensborough. They were going to open a new school at Briar Hill. And we went there on the very first day it opened. Bill and I went there, Lance and Jack were still in the home and came up there later. This was the first time I can remember we were all together as a family. With all the moves we went to Briar Hill school three times altogether. From there we went on to Collingwood Tech travelling daily by train.
In 1934 Mary-Ann passed away at home in Flintoff St. Greensborough. She had a long term heart condition. Albert attended the funeral did not stay in contact with the family. The older children, Lance and Kathleen, became the guardians of the younger ones. Lance, the oldest would have been about 22 and Bill, the youngest about 12. Support came from their mother's younger sister Alice.