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Thomas
Andrews & Elizabeth Haskell Descendants
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The earliest record of my Andrews ancestors is the marriage
of Thomas
Andrews to Elizabeth Haskell in Horton, Dorset, in 1788.
The
parish register notes that they were both "of Woodlands", an adjacent
hamlet.
Later the family lived in Verwood and Romford.. The nearest
major
towns are Bournemouth and Poole to the south and Salisbury to the
north.
This area of Dorset is very close to the boarders with Wiltshire and
Hampshire. The
occupations
mentioned are gardener, farmer, ploughman, farm labourer and later
brick
maker. Elizabeth's family came from Cranborne, also nearby Today Horton and Woodlands are little more than intersections on country roads with a few scattered houses. Verwood has seen rapid growth this century, following the arrival of the railway, and is a sizable town. Cranborne still looks somewhat as it may have in the late 1800’s. Cranborne is the site of a monastery, founded in 980 and said to be the oldest in the England. The countryside is gently rolling hills; and the villages are a few hours walk of each other. Dorset ,over the centuries, has been occupied by the Britons, Celts, Romans, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Danes, Vikings and Normans. I guess we are a blend of all of these. The Andrews name is common in the UK and is derived from the apostle Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. Andrews (and Anderson) usually mean the son of Andrew. There are thousands of Andrews marriages and christenings in parish records back to the 1500s. Several Andrews families feature in the Verwood area however I cannot identify the parents of Thomas. (A possibility mentioned to me is "......Thomas Andrews baptised Gussage 10-11-1754 to a Thomas and Mary Andrews.". thanks Rita, Sept 2007) Elizabeth's parents were Joseph Haskell & Elizabeth Amey. The Haskell name has a 500 year history in Dorset. The Haskell Family Society holds annual reunions in Cranborne and the society's Co-Patron is the Hon. Lord Cranborne. The Cranborne parish records show three baptisms to a Thomas and Elizabeth Andrews. Joseph born in 1797, John Andrews in 1801 and James Andrews in 1803. The Horton parish shows William, son of Thomas & Elizabeth, baptized in 1789. A daughter Elizabeth was born in 1793 at Wimborne St. Giles, a nearby village. Joseph, and following generations, stayed in Dorset farming and brick making. Joseph Andrews married Sarah Cutler. Some family hyphenated their name to Cutler-Andrews and later some dropped the "Andrews". The early census records show many Cutler family members in the area. Thomas and the three boys found themselves in trouble with the law. The process records from the Dorchester Gaol show Joseph serving three months in 1824 for poaching, James three months in 1825 for stealing potatoes and Thomas three months for burglary. Each time the Rev. Henry Donne, the vicar at Cranborne, committed them. In 1826 John and James were sentenced to seven years transportation for stealing two stocks of bees. Their behaviour was described as rather disorderly and they were put on board a captivity hulk at Devonport, England. Verwood links Council Verwood Historical society Cranborne Links Cranborne Wikipedia Verwood Wikipedia |
John and James Andrews were transported aboard the Bengal
Merchant to
Van Diemen’s
Land (Tasmania) in 1828. The convict records
from Tasmania show John stole two bags of wheat rather than the two
stocks
of bees. James’ record shows that he also had a bastard child(!). It
added
they belonged to a "Gang of Thieves". At about this time Captain
Henry Miller, of the 40th Regiment, was also in VDL. He was a
g.g.great
grandfather of Jeni Andrews.
Convicts, on arrival in Van Diemen’s Land, were assigned to settlers as labourers. John was sent to a Mr Parramore at Ross as a ploughman. James was sent as a farm labourer to a Mr Batman at Ben Lomond. The same John Batman, seven years later, was involved in the settlement on the banks of the Yarra that was to become Melbourne. If convicts misbehaved they were sent to the road gangs, further problems and they were sent to the gaol at Macquarie Harbour or later Port Arthur. John and James had almost perfect records, unlike many others, and on the 1st March 1834 completed their sentences. They appeared to have stayed on in VDL for the next five years. They may have worked as gardeners for the Fentons. Michael Fenton, and his brothers, were well known property owners of New Norfolk, north of Hobart. Shipping records show several Andrews moving from VDL to Victoria in 1839 and 1840. James and John took land for market gardens at Brighton at this time. James married Margaret Harrigan and John married Bridget (Biddy) Tracy both young Irish immigrants. At about the same time Dendy and his group settled in Brighton, however there seems no connection. J.B.Were, who later founded the prominent stockbroking firm of the same name, was a neighbour. Margaret Harrigan died of consumption in 1858 having no children. In 1859 James married Clara Maple and went on to head a large family. He established market gardens in the Dandenong/Keysborough/Bangholme area. A grandson went on to be the first mayor of the City of Dandenong. John and Bridget were married at St
Francis Church Melbourne
on the
18th December 1841 by Father Geoghegan. The town of
Melbourne
had only been settled six or seven years at this stage and Brighton
would
have been a long journey from the city. Johns farm of 17 acres
was on
the
corner of Nepean Highway and North Road. Bridget was Catholic as were
the
children, however John is said to have resisted conversion until his
deathbed. Father,
later Bishop, Patrick Geoghegan is remembered for saying the
first
Catholic mass in Melbourne in 1839. The original timber church was
replaced
with the present building some years later. Gold was discovered in the early 1850s and the population of Melbourne exploded. John appears to have been a successful gardener in Brighton and purchased a dairy property at Eumemmering (now Hallam) near Dandenong in about 1854. John and Bridget moved to the Eumemmering place with some of their grown children. John died there in 1879 and in 1881 his son Thomas was appointed administrator of the estate. Bridget died there in 1890 having raised eight children. It was suggested that the family had various properties and were comfortable; however much of this was lost in the financial and property crash of the 1890s. The Brighton property may have been leased out for some years. Of the five sons three married daughters of another Brighton resident, John Straker. He too married an Irish immigrant girl, Mary Boyd. Convict
in Australia via Wikipedia Google Earth link to Brighton
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Thomas John Andrews, married to Mary-Ann Straker,
lived
in Bent St Brighton and may have worked for the railways. John Joseph Andrews was a coal miner. He was the informant of John Andrews’ death in 1879. He died in a mining accident at Coal Creek, Korumburra in 1896. He was severely injured by a coal skip weighing 14 cwt. It was being taken down a grade of 1 in 10 at the time. James William Andrews, the third son, and our ancestor married the third Straker daughter, Elizabeth Frances Straker. See below for detail. Mary Ann Andrews married John Kelly. Their grand daughter, Mary Chapman, remembered well the Hallam property and Auntie Liz from her childhood. ‘The Biddy Tracy Story’, provides the best information we have on the Tracy family. It came from the recollections of Marie Carson, also of this line Elizabeth, ‘Auntie Liz’, second daughter of John and Bridget, lived on at the Hallam (Eumemmering) place until the 1930’s. She never married. The property, a dairy farm, near present Hallam hotel, is now part of an industrial estate. She died Oct. 1934. The pamphlet "A small farm at Hallam: The Andrews 1854 - 1934" by the City of Berwick details her life. Link to Online Version. Google title if link lost. Jane Ellen did not survive infancy Francis Michael Andrews married Margaret Straker in 1883. He and his sister (Elizabeth) purchased the property in Hallam’s road from his father (possibly John's estate). In around 1886 he owned 23 cows, horses and drays, and made 50lbs of butter a week. Harold Hubble is from this line as is Louis Andrews of Granite Rock (near Bairnsdale Vic). Louis suggested that four Straker daughters married members of the Andrews family. He recalls spending happy times in his childhood at the Hallam property with ‘Auntie Liz’. He says that the name Louis comes from a family rumour of association with the French royal family. He says that, contrary to the history books, these stories say that the young Louis escaped France during the revolution. Another child was dressed in his clothes and the young Louis escaped to England. History books say Louis XVI, with his family, tried to escape France in 1791. They were recaptured and he was guillotined in 1793. His son Louis XVII (the Dauphin) died in prison in 1795 aged 10. DNA testing reported in Time Magazine 1st May 2000 confirms this. Frances Sarah (Aunt Fanny), also unmarried, may have lived with, at times, with Elizabeth. She was a tayloress by profession; she travelled and reputedly enjoyed a full social life She also lived in Bay Street Brighton. Later she helped raise the children of John Kelly and Mary Ann Kelly (Andrews) and also the children of John Andrews Kelly. Louis Bernard Andrews, the youngest son, was a coach builder and wheelwright in Footscray during the 1880s. His marital status is unknown. Contact was lost and the family feels he went to the goldfields of West Australia and also South Africa. His death was reported from Woodanilling, WA in 1924. |
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Offaly
(Kings) and Galway
in Ireland. The town of Ballinasloe is
also
mentioned.
Bridget was orphaned when her parents, John and Ellen, died of typhus.
She lived in a convent and with "Aunt Ellen" prior to immigrating. She
arrived in Victoria on the ship ‘England’ in 1841. How she met John
Andrews
is not known. From a text on Irish names I noted the name Tracy has spelling variations, Trassy, Treacy and Tracey. It may have originated from O’Treasaigh. A map shows the name coming from an area of Galway near the border with Offaly. Griffith valuations, a land tax list from the mid 1800's shows fourteen Trac(e)ys in the area The following is the text of a letter written by Marie Carson relating old family stories.. These stories were told by Biddy Tracy Andrews to her children and later retold by Auntie Liz Andrews to my mother Mary Theresa (Kelly) McInnes Dempsey. She had written the notes down about 1950 while her memory was reasonably good. They are rather interesting because the throw some light on the life and times of Biddy Tracy who was later to become the wife of John Andrews. Over a hundred years ago Biddy was the youngest of a family of three girls and one boy living with their parents in the town of Galway. The father was a shipping clerk employed by the Galway Shipping Co. The mother devoted her life to her husband and children. They were not endowed with wealth but lived as comfortable as was possible in those times in Ireland. Then one day their lives were to be completely changed. A storm brought a tremendous shoal of fish upon the shores of Galway Bay. The people were unable to clear the fish fast enough and, as the story goes, the fish began to decay and that in turn caused an outbreak of typhus. Biddy’s parents caught the typhus and died with within hours of each other. The children survived it but soon after the family broke up. The only son took over as a son who was old enough had the power to do in those days in Ireland. He sold up the home and went to sea. The girls were sent into the care of aunts. Biddy was sent off to an Aunt Ellen who had a small farm. There was much work to attend to on the farm. Biddy’s special job, or one of them, was to keep the sow away from the goose that was sitting on eggs. While the goose was sitting on the eggs everything was all right so Biddy lost interest in the gooses eggs and went off picking flowers in the meadow. Then she remembered the goose, she ran back just in time to see the sow eating the last egg. Poor Biddy was frightened of what Aunt Ellen would do to her. Although evening was approaching she ran and got her bonnet and shawl, which they wore in those days, and ran as far as she could from the farm and Aunt Ellen. Night came on, she still ran on not knowing where she was going. At last, exhausted, she stumbled and fell among a flock of sheep. In the early hours of the morning she was found by the shepherd fast asleep among the sheep. This is where this story ends unfortunately we never know what happened to her when she was returned to Aunt Ellen. The other story is some years later. Biddy had been sent to live at a convent. Her brother had come back from his seafaring to visit Biddy in the convent a few times but after that she never heard of him again. She wasn't happy in the convent, life was hard. They had to carry all their water in pails from some distance for washing and other purposes. The other girls in the convent would always think out ways and means of getting out of work and put it all on to Biddy. Then came the time when she heard of immigration to Australia. As they were in need of domestic servants in Australia she made up her mind to immigrate. As the story goes one sister came with her. The elder sister married and may have gone to America. Biddy and her sister, (although there is no record of a sister on the shipping list (see below*) landed in Port Melbourne after six months voyage. Biddy, it was said had many memories of that trip. One of them was the story of one of her cabin mates Mary Ann Slack. The captain came in to the cabin to see if everything was shipshape. But Mary-Ann was lackadaisical. The captain roared at her and said "She was Slack by name and slack by nature." Her name appears on the shipping list with Biddy’s. It was said Biddy always recalled there were English, Irish and Scottish girls on board the ‘England’, all coming to make a new life in Australia even though it did mean hard work for them. The records of the ‘England’, also list as immigrants, Ellen
Curley
with her husband Thomas and children John 4, Biddy 18 months and Ann 7.
Letters from Edna Chandler of Picola, a descendent of Ann says that Ann
was Ann Tracy, daughter of Ellen and John Tracy. She added that Ellen
Curley
might be the Aunt Ellen mentioned above. It may well be that Ann was
included
in the Curley family group to ensure her passage as an assisted
immigrant.
The Curley family settled as gardeners in the Brighton area. See email
below re Curly --------------- We are looking for the family of ANNE ELIZABETH TRACY who
was born
on May 8th, 1817 . Her family originally came from Glostershire,
England--then went to Leinster and after being on the wrong side of
Cromwell
, in the 1600, they were sent to Connaught, Ireland. Ann married a man
named Thomas Gaffy and they raised 10 children in The town of Ballygar
in the County of Galway. Thomas died in 1865 and Ann and her 10
children
all came to California, USA. She died in 1902 in San
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James William Andrews, the third son of John &
Bridget Andrews
seems to have stayed on at the Brighton property when the other members
of the family moved to Eumemmering. His address is shown as Point
Nepean
Road, Brighton and occupation noted as gardener, orchardist and fruit
grower.
He married the third Straker daughter, Elizabeth Frances Straker.
They raised a family of three girls and two boys.
James died of pneumonia and heart failure in 1908 aged about 63 years and is buried in Boroondara Cemetery, Kew. Elizabeth moved at some stage to St Kilda, and then East Malvern. The two daughters, Cecily Blanche and Elizabeth Grace lived there with her. Her unmarried sister Eleanor Straker also lived with them. Elizabeth died in 1932 and is also buried in Boroondara. The children of James & Elizabeth.. Albert William was born 1879, well
educated,
possibly attended Xavier College, Kew, Melbourne. He went on to work as
a clerk and auctioneer. He married Mary-Ann Hanrahan in 1910 at St.
Mary's
St. Kilda East. The marriage was not happy and they
divorced
in 1924 leaving Mary-Ann to care for the seven children. See the Hanrahan page for more detail Albert married Lucy Maud Pill later that year and a child Lucy Mabel, followed. Lucy Pill was the daughter John Pill, a fisherman from Portland. She gave her occupation as ‘domestic’ and had worked with families around Melbourne as a childcare nurse. At some stage Albert worked for the real estate firm of A.E. Lillie and was said to be "the best auctioneer in Melbourne." Lucy and her daughter soon moved back to Portland to live with her family when things did not work out with Albert. This would have been around the start of the great depression and mass unemployment. Albert was thought to have worked "on the roads" around Foster in Gippsland. These were the days of the ‘susso’ or sustenance, the then government arrangements to work on public projects, for a very modest wage. In December 1932 his address was Havelock, a small town near Maryborough in country Victoria. That year Albert issue a caveat on the process of settling his mothers will. The entire estate, valued at about 4000 pounds was going to the daughters. This included two modest houses (700 & 800 pounds) and a parcel of securities. The caveat was removed in 1933 after a settlement of, we think, several hundred pounds. In 1933 his address was 32 Gordon Grove, Malvern. He was in a boarding house in St Vincent's Place, Albert Park in the early 1950’s. The place was sold up or his health was deteriorating and the family was contacted. He was moved to the Home of the Little Sisters of the Poor in Northcote, a nursing home, prior to his death in 1953. There had been no contact with his first family in the intervening years. Cecily Blanche born in 1880 was also a dressmaker. In
1916 she
married a Charles Henry Nind. He had joined the AIF in Feb. 1916 and
was
killed in action in France 1917. There were no children and she did not
remarry. She and Elizabeth Grace lived with their mother in Malvern and
moved to Glen Iris after their mothers death. She died in 1959. James Straker Andrews, born in 1881, spent his early years as a seaman around the coast. He married Margaret Egan in about 1905 and following her premature death he married Mary Ann Chartres in 1911. Two children, Kevin and Nellie followed. Elizabeth Grace born 1883, a teacher and dressmaker.
She did
not marry and died 1963. Albert
Andrews (second from the left) outside his office
The others are unknown. The building survives as a Buxton real estate agency on the corner of Gordon Street and Glen Huntly Road, Elsternwick, Victoria
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The famous Gainsborough painting titled Mr & Mrs Andrews
is held
in the National Gallery in
London. Check the Wikipedia link for more info Cannot link this family with ours but still trying...
Much of this research has come from Hilary Burden,
Gwendoline
Rogers, June Brown, Damian Smith , Marie Carson, Mary Chapman, Lola
Marsh,
Harold Hubble, Edna Chandler, Rosemary (Andrews) Morison, Keith
Bennett
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Hi Peter,
Many thanks, and apologies for taking so long to get back. I'm a
writer, and constant deadlines keep me away from my real interests too
often........
My tree isn't in chart form as yet, so apologies for the lack of
formatting. Here's what I have on Bridget Mary Curley, daughter of
Thomas & Ellen.
Bridget Mary Curley b. 1839 Galway m. George MAC CURRIE b. Melb.
~1844
Issue
1. George Thomas (1872) m. Ida ?? (lived Sydney)
2. Vincent (no details at all)
3. Catherine (1873) m. Albert VINES
4. Ellen (1876) m. Alfred GEORGE
5. Bernard William (1877) m. Daisy ?? (an English war bride)
6. Michael Austin (1879) died aged 12 days
7. John Henry (Jack) (1880) Prahran m. Mary Frances KOELIN
8. Mary Ann (1883) m. Robert JAMIESON
As yet I've been unable to find a marriage date for Bridget and George.
There's also no clue so far as to when and where George died. My aunt,
Catherine 's daughter, told me many years ago that "George was a
no-hoper; a swagman who was never at home, and when he did come home it was only to
take money". It seems likely that everybody was relieved when he went.
My aunt said that Bridget Mary had a"tough, difficult life". My father
remembered Bridget ( he was 6) as "a little old lady in a black dress
wearing a bonnet". My father was the only (surviving) son of Catherine
& George
Do you want more details about the above people?
Regards,
Kate
The Curley Grave at Brighton cemetery. Note the Pierce Hanrahan gravestone in the background. This is the other Hanrahan family living in the area and not related to our Hanrahan line
Greetings,
My grandfather's name was William Andrews of Capetown South Africa and
his dd was in 1972 and was born in Capetown in 1892. My great
grandfather came to South Africa in 1871 from Australia and his name was James
William Andrews. I do not know his db or dd. My grandmother told me
that my grandfather had a direct ancestor from Tasmania who belonged to a
famous gang of thieves.
Do you have any ancestors that moved to South Africa around 1871?
Was there any other Andrews in the gang of thieves that you might know
of other then James or John?
My grandmother has a record of my great grandfather arrival to Durban
SA from Australia in 1871.
My parents moved to New York City from Johannesburg SA in 1960 and I
was born in 1964 IN New York - USA.
Thank You
Peter Andrews
I have just come across your Andrews site and see Elizabeth Amey
and your reference to Horton With Woodlands and also the Cutler name..
My GG Grandmother was Catharine Amey, she had a som Elijah Louis
in 1808 in Horton with Woodlands, no father was listed.
She must have been born c1790 but I have failed to find any other
trace of her except her marriage in 1820 to John Frampton also in
Horton with Woodlands and both were from Woodlands.
Later in 1831 Elijah married Hannah Cutler in Horton with
Woodlands, he listed Thomas Amey as his father?
Elijah move to Poole and finally to Upham Hampshire.
The Haskell name has cropped up many times in Amey
trees but with no direct links yet to my tree.
Dorset OPC has sudgested that Catharine could have been baptised
Elizabeth but used Catharine.
Horton is such a small area but I have yet to make any links
Love to hear your thoughts on this.
Carolyn Amey
